"It has been reported that this administration did not disclose the fact that additional data existed regarding out of facility deaths. To be clear, multiple times during the time the July 6 DOH report was being developed, public statements were made during the daily briefings and in the press regarding the existence of the data, but noting that the deaths were being counted in the facility where individuals died. There were repeated public statements acknowledging the out of facility deaths were not being listed as a subset of nursing home deaths stemming from concerns related to potential for double counting and consistency and accuracy.
COVID Taskforce members, including Melissa DeRosa, Linda Lacewell, and Jim Malatras, were involved in reviewing the draft report -- none of them changed any of the fatality numbers or "altered" the fatality data. After asking DOH questions as to the source of the previously unpublished data -- to which there were not clear or complete answers -- and probing to determine whether it was relevant to the outcome of the report, a decision was made to use the data set that was reported by the place of death with firsthand knowledge of the circumstances, which gave a higher degree of comfort in its accuracy. The Chamber concluded that given the uncertainty of one data set that had not been verified, it did not need to be included, because it did not change the ultimate conclusions, as shown in the revised report which did include that additional data. DOH has repeatedly said they support both the original and revised reports as issued.
This decision was only made after determining that it didn't change the outcome, and that we understood that the same conclusions were supported by both data sets. The methodology used was disclosed in the report and reflected that it was specific to in-facility, as our public data had always shown as well.
The out of facility data was repeatedly discussed in public briefings and we consistently acknowledged those deaths were being counted in the total death count through the place of death data. There is no credible claim that the public or legislators did not know there was a subset of out of facility deaths that had been reported to DOH but was not yet disclosed as it had not yet been verified as this was the topic of public press briefings and inquiries (see below).
There is currently a review by the Department of Justice, and we are cooperating fully with that inquiry. Again, there was no undercount, as total deaths irrespective of location were always disclosed, and the methodology of how data was being presented was accurate.
The report was intended to detail whether the March 25 advisory memo contributed to increased deaths, and not be a full accounting of every death. We have since updated the report, and it now includes out of facility deaths, with the exception of a limited subset which cannot be confirmed to a sufficient degree of reliability, and that is clearly denoted — the updated report supports the same conclusion of the initial July report."
EXAMPLES OF PAST STATEMENTS BELOW:
- 5/5/20: (Press Conference Q+A) - Reporter: Governor, can you comment on, it looks like there's some new reporting regarding nursing homes and it would increase the total by about 1,700 in terms of total deaths. Does that count towards the official tally? Are they in a different category? How is that being reported out?
- Governor Cuomo: You have, I'll ask Jim and Melissa to explain this because I don't know the details, frankly. You have two categories - confirmed deaths and then probable or presumed deaths, and they list numbers in both categories. Some people combine the two, confirmed deaths and presumed deaths and have one number. Some people keep them separate and then they are often reported separately or they're reported together. But that has been going on for a while, but Jim is there, is that accurate?
- Jim Malatras: That's accurate, Governor. We reported the past, we asked the nursing homes to provide updated information. They originally provided about 3,100 total deaths. The confirmed deaths of those are actually 2,100. That gets added to the official count. We're counting both the presumed and confirmed. But the confirmed deaths are the ones we're running in the official tally. Other localities are submitting unconfirmed deaths but we want to confirm those things as much as we can. But now we're putting up both categories so people can clearly see because some of the cities are reporting both together and it was difficult to tease out. So we've asked them the report clearly that line of both confirmed and presumed.
- Question: [inaudible] Isabella Geriatric Center which is something we drew attention to this week, they issued a statement saying there have been 98 deaths but the official reporting shows less than that, something in the 60s. That does that not count hospital deaths. In other words someone goes from the facility to a hospital is that then counted differently?
- Jim Malatras: Those get reported in the hospitalization deaths. The Isabella situation, they reported 60 but in actuality it's 21 confirmed deaths and the remaining being presumed which we'll have to officially try to confirm one way or another. So it is in line with keeping with what they were sending before, but we've asked those facilities to update which they have.
- Governor Cuomo: In fact just to just to be clear I would take all of these numbers now with a grain of salt. We were just saying the confirmed deaths, you know what that means. What does a presumed death mean, right? We presume it. How do you presume it to be coronavirus? Also the at-home deaths, non-hospital, non-nursing-home deaths, just at-home deaths, when do you actually get all the numbers on those and how do you confirm all those deaths as attributed to coronavirus? So I would caveat with all of these. I think they're going to change over time.
May 23, 2020 - The City
It's unclear how many of the veterans died of confirmed or presumed COVID-19. The state Health Department says 35 residents there had died of coronavirus-related causes through May 22. But that figure doesn't include residents who died at hospitals — which health officials said are reported solely in the overall tally of state COVID deaths, in part to avoid double-counting.
May 28, 2020 - NY1
Initially, the state only counted residents who tested positive for COVID-19 and died at the facility. Then it added to the tally residents who only had a suspected case and died. Butthe state is not including in these figures adult care facility residents who were transferred to a hospital and died of the coronavirus there. The Health Department says that's "to maintain consistency and reliability in the data as presented, and to avoid any potential for double-counting."
July 6 report - page 11 Figure 2 lays out the data used for the analysis, saying specifically: "Confirmed and presumed fatalities, NH population only in Nursing Home facilities"
FROM PUBLIC HEARING AUGUST 3, 2020:
DR. HOWARD ZUCKER: -- no, I was going to say, we had -- we reported it as someone who's died in the hospital. [Indiscernible] the nursing home, they went to the hospital, they died in the hospital. We reported as they came from the hospital. We then started to ask, and we tried to get information about who died in the nursing homes. And we started reporting that as getting information from the nursing homes. And we do not want -- as I mentioned before, we don't want to double-count and say this person died here and also died there.
DR. HOWARD ZUCKER: Well, and what I'm saying is, is that, that information, I want to be sure that we are not double-counting individuals, that someone didn't die for a different reason because -- so that's what we're trying to do. If someone goes into the hospital from a nursing home, and then they die, or, they -- or -- and they're sick in the hospital, and someone says, well, they died because of COVID, well, maybe they died because of something else. I mean, this is something which I mentioned about earlier, about pneumonia. Right? The presumption by CDC was that, they died, the 27 percent of people dying in those two months, was because of pneumonia. And as the director of the CDC said, "presumed to be coronavirus." Right? But what I want to know is exactly, when someone dies in the hospital, what did they die from?
ASSEMBLY MEMBER BRAUNSTEIN: I think a lot of us may reserve judgment about the conclusions of the report until we have an accurate view of all of the data. And we're missing a significant amount of people who contracted COVID in a nursing home and then later died in a hospital. And I just think it would bolster the conclusions of the report if, at some point in the future, when you do have that data, maybe you can, you know, add it in the report, just to, you know, make sure that this report is accurate.
DR. HOWARD ZUCKER: I am confident about the data. I hear what you're saying. I will also say that in that report you will see that there is a curve that shows the deaths from the nursing homes and deaths in the community, and they line up. AndI suspect -- not suspect -- that I know that this will be the same.
GARETH RHODES: And I will just add, we're updating this report down the road. We can include what the experience of other states has been. Then this report came out, and I quote the Mary Mayhew, the Florida Agency for Health-Care Administration: [Indiscernible] doors to keep that virus from getting to our facilities. Our staff are human beings who have lives outside of these facilities. Nursing home operator in Florida: The overwhelming majority of our staff members were testing positive or asymptomatic. An indigenous virus is very difficult to detect after the testing. So it happened in other states.